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(.#474).- Guilda Moura, John Mack, Dr.David Jacobs and Irene Granchi.
Guilda Moura, John Mack, Dr.David Jacobs et Irene Granchi.
Guilda Moura - Psychologist and hypnologist (Brazil)
Of all the mysteries that exist in the world and of all the things that we do not yet know, perhaps none captures the human imagination as much as the UFO phenomenon. From its strong messianic aspects, represented in an exemplary way by lights coming from the sky, to its most demonic aspects, like humans held in captivity to serve as guinea pigs in extraterrestrial experiences, ufology has elements for all tastes and interests. But what ufology almost does not have is the scientific seriousness of its research - all over the world, there are few scientists ready to look at UFO phenomenology with the desire to find out what is going on, after everything, so that thousands of people of all nationalities and beliefs declare having seen or been in contact with beings from other worlds.
Not that the information is new, because it is not, but neither the prejudice nor the sense of ridicule that accompanies it. But, fortunately, for those who see ufology as one of the most important and transformative subjects of all time, there are people who have a clear idea that the theme is much deeper than they believe it and devote themselves to the study of aspects of the phenomenon as it really is: difficult, mysterious and, often, intimidating. One of these people is the interviewee of this edition, the psychologist and hypnologist of Rio de Janeiro Gilda Moura.
A call in childhood
Like the vast majority of ufology researchers, our guest's interest in abnormal phenomena began in childhood. And although Gilda was primarily interested in parapsychology and mediumship, and devoted herself to the study of phenomena in these areas, at some point along the path where she was reached by ufology due to a observation not of her, but of her daughter, who occurred in 1970, in Rio de Janeiro. Our interlocutor then studied and researched the subject. In the 1980s, he attended a conference of researchers Jaime Lauda and Carlos Reis and his interest was definitely catalyzed by the subject. At the start of her research, Gilda did not believe in hypnosis - she only started her activities by following, interviewing and observing the people contacted and abducted.
Attending conferences in the United States, she met Dr. David Cheek of the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis, who encouraged her to study and become a hypnologist. Later, with Dr. John Mack, a famous researcher from Harvard University, who died, he had an experience of great impact that happened here in Brazil, in the Amazon. Before going there, however, Gilda was in Varginha with Mack to get information about the famous case there in 1996. They did an interview with Liliane and Valquíria, two of the three girls who first saw time one of the foreigners captured by the army, crouched by a wall [See the editions UFO 222 and 230, now available in full on ufo.com.br].
During a conversation with Liliane, he discovered that in his memory there was a feeling of light and going up to an unknown place. Gilda then discovered the possibility that the girl was kidnapped, but this could not be proven because our interlocutor could not hypnotize her. However, with the results of her research, the psychologist believes that there is a larger plan to help humanity in this period of transition to more consciousness and coexistence with other species in the universe.
Enviable CV
Gilda Moura was co-director, at the Kairos Foundation, University of Illinois, Chicago, of a six-year study on altered states of consciousness and brain mapping, researching four groups of people in Brazil. He was a speaker at the Abduction Studies Conference, held at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), famous in the United States, in 1996. Our interlocutor is the author of the books Transformers of Consciousness [Nova Era, 1992], O Rio Subterrâneo [Nova Era, 1999] and The Secret of Velásquez [Jaguatirica Digital, 2013], the latter being his first work of fiction. The first two papers deal with his research on abduction cases and the characteristics and changes experienced by abductees, in addition to providing other important information. Our interviewee is also a scientific consultant for Consciência magazine, the Transdisciplinary Center for Consciousness Studies (CTEC), Universidade Fernando Pessoa, Portugal, scientific consultant, founder and former vice-president of the Portuguese Association for Clinical Experimental Hypnosis (imaginal ) and Luso-Brazilian Trans-Personal Association (Alubrat), as well as a member of the board of directors of the Association for Research on UFOs (Apovni), also from Portugal. In Brazil, for two decades, Gilda has been a consultant for UFO Magazine and also for the John Mack Research Center (CPJM), in São Paulo. Let's go to the interview.
Our contact is also a scientific consultant for the Consciência journal, the Transdisciplinary Center for Consciousness Studies (CTEC), Universidade Fernando Pessoa, Portugal, scientific consultant, founder and former vice-president of the Portuguese Association for Clinical Experimental Hypnosis (imaginal ) and Luso-Brazilian Trans-Personal Association (Alubrat), as well as a member of the board of directors of the Association for Research on UFOs (Apovni), also from Portugal. In Brazil, for two decades, Gilda has been a consultant for UFO Magazine and also for the John Mack Research Center (CPJM), in São Paulo. Let's go to the interview.
Crédit : ALEXANDRE JUBRAN
The extraterrestrial abduction process, although the most unknown, is considered to be the most complex in UFO phenomenology.
How did you become interested in the mysteries of the mind?
Since I was very young, I was attracted to mystical phenomena. I was raised in a college of French nuns, with a strict Catholic education. As I was a boarding school, I had many hours, just to read the lives of the saints and, like every child raised in this type of environment, I wanted to be a saint and go to heaven. Growing up, I became interested in the phenomena of parapsychology, mediumship and, later, schizophrenia. As a teenager, he left boarding school to attend the conferences of Father Oscar Quevedo and Father Albino Aresi. I even followed the creation of Clínica Mens Sana, by Brother Albino, in Rio de Janeiro.
And your interest in ufology, how did it work?
It started after family members observed a UFO perched near my father's farm in Adrianópolis, Rio de Janeiro. From there, I deepened my research on psychic and paranormal phenomena. At the time, while reading the book of the American parapsychologist Dr Joseph Rhine, I decided to take psychology to have more credit in the results of my investigations. However, despite all these events, I did not believe in the existing research on UFOs - I accepted life on other planets, but that beings from other worlds came here, that was another question. After the events which crossed me the so-called “special evening”, which I relate in my book O Rio Subterrâneo, I was brought to attend certain conferences of the ufologists Jaime Lauda and Carlos Reis, in Rio. Then I spent a few years attending events and participating in the Center for Research on the Nature of Extraterrestrials (CISNE), founded by the late Professor Irene Granchi [Pioneer of Brazilian Ufology who was Honorary President of Revista UFO of during his lifetime].
Was it when you first became interested in alien abductions?
Not exactly. My interest in kidnapping started after a few years. I met the researcher Ademar Eugênio de Mello and then I started to go to São Paulo and to participate in the meetings of the Center for Exological Studies (CEEX), in this city. I also started to receive lessons from researcher Rafael Sempere Durá, who was a professor for many of these ufologists. In addition, the aforementioned Lauda and Melo often stayed with me when they came to Rio. These meetings and certain phenomena that happened to me were remarkable in my research. I did not choose to do research in ufology, I was taken and trained for it, being very small, I was attracted by mystical phenomena. I was raised in a college of French nuns, with a strict Catholic education. Since I was a boarding school, I had many hours, just to read the lives of the saints and I wanted to be a saint and gain heaven.
His interest in the kidnappings came later. How? 'Or' What?
The first case of its kind that caught my attention was that of a boy whom I will call Claudio, whose initial research was carried out by the Association of Exological Research of São Paulo (APEX) and whose regressive hypnosis was directed by Mário Nogueira Rangel. What caught my attention in Claudio's experience was the dilation of the boy's consciousness - in fact, my study focused on understanding the mechanisms of consciousness and its expansion in various states. I still didn't know what the kidnapping was and we didn't hear much about it in Brazil. My interest was, as a psychologist, to be able to help the boy.
How did you react when analyzing this abduction case?
Therefore, the distinction I made at that time was between physical and non-physical contact with extraterrestrial beings. I was still torn between what was a real experience and what could be a hallucination or a psychotic crisis, and this doubt led me to deepen my understanding of this event more and more and to start seeing others people with similar experiences. I remember when I went to Buenos Aires, the Argentine researcher Fábio Zerpa put me on television and presented the Claudio case as a milestone in ufology. It makes a lot of sense to me today, that is to say that ufology is understood before and after my vision of the abductions.
After the Claudio affair, what other remarkable event did you look for?
The second notable event in my study was that of a girl whom I call Suzy in my book. The whole experience of her and her family has been extraordinary. On this subject, everything that seemed strange to me, I put it on a shelf and, despite not believing it, I did not throw it away. I lived a lot with all these facts and the first regression of Suzy was Fábio Zerpa who did it. It was exciting when we watched the movie Intruders [1992] together and she was crying all the time - she saw her story in the movie, with things she didn't have access to because at that time there was no publications in Portuguese on the subject. When researching the Suzy case, we knew very little about the abduction phenomenon and the energy that emanated from it affected us all. From there, I started the first abduction support group with professionals from various fields, including spiritual knowledge, to learn to understand the phenomenon.
Crédit: RAFAEL AMORIM
There are many cases where people are surprised to meet extraterrestrials in different situations.
How did interest in hypnosis come about?
At the time of research on Suzy Case and others, with the group, I began to travel to the United States and participate in conferences to study the trauma of the abductions, victims of satanic rituals, multiple personalities and research on the Kundalini, because I think it was all involved in the phenomenon. At a conference hosted by American psychiatrist Rima Laibow, I met Dr. David Cheek, who urged me to take hypnosis classes at the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis, saying things I already knew , I just needed to formalize. So I did all the learning levels, because classic hypnosis bothered me to interfere in the patient's mind and not the new, clinical modality. I have studied a lot, traveled even more and participated in meetings at home and in the Extraordinary Experience Research Program (PEER) group, by the late Dr. John Mack, in Boston. Since I had children studying and living in the United States, it was easier for me to have this opportunity.
And after that, how did things evolve?
When I started working with hypnosis, I did a lot of work in Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo, Curitiba and Buenos Aires, which gave me practice and materials to understand the pattern of abductions. . Knowledge of American scientific and clinical studies also helped me a lot and influenced my vision of the phenomenon. Right after, I went to do my research on altered states of consciousness (EAC) in Brazil, with a brain mapping of individuals, which I will talk about next. I am currently finishing an article on hypnotic regression in ET’s abductions which clarifies many points. I also help many kidnapped people from various regions of Brazil, by looking again for certain cases and by regressing for the first time people who have experienced the same phenomenon in the same place - this learning changes my vision of these experiences, and part from what I have already learned and I presented at the VII World Ufology Forum, which UFO magazine held in December 2015, in Foz do Iguaçu.
What was the most interesting abduction episode you have ever studied?
It is difficult to define a case as the most important. I had remarkable events in my research, which were emblematic, and I just have to thank people for sharing such experiences with me. As I mentioned, the Claudio and Suzy cases were important because they were the first. Next, the abduction of Marco Cabral was also special because it involved paranormality and interference with electronic equipment - this study was highlighted for being a case involving great trauma and for helping the witness to get rid of the fear that 'he had at the time, in addition to help me manage my own fear of phenomena. As Rima Laibow said at a kidnapping convention she hosted, "Calm down Gilda, we're all afraid and we don't know what we're talking about." There are many theories about the purpose of abductions, but none are conclusive, and even today, after all these years, we know very little about them. For Dr. David Jacobs, it would be the creation of a hybrid race with human and extraterrestrial materials.
Could you explain your fear better?
The energy that was released in the process of investigating the case of Marco Cabral came to us and aroused fear in us, because we saw it as negative. But when we could understand that it was not a negative force, but a frequency higher than that to which we were accustomed, the fear was released. My research on the brain mapping of four different groups of SCE in Brazil has helped a lot to differentiate these aspects. Two other striking cases that I can cite are those of Carla Baptista, for having, as with Claudio, a mixture of mediumistic aspects involved, and that of Dr Maria Clara. Both are Portuguese.
What can you tell us about these cases of alien abductions?
The Carla case is important because it involved an abduction with three people and the car in which they were. This event is on the website of the UFO Research Association (Apovni) [Address: . Carla is a good artist, she provided us with the best drawings we have of the beings who removed her - I accompanied her for two years before the first regression. Another striking case is that of Dr. Maria Clara, who provided me with the largest number of regressions in a survey. With her calm and wisdom, she helped me clarify many details. I could not fail to mention the Picanço affair, which took place in Manaus, which, now, after two decades, is ready to talk about what happened on his farm [He is one of the speakers, with the interview, from the IV World Contact Forum.
In your opinion, what is the main interest of our extraterrestrial visitors in kidnappings? What do they want from us?
There are many theories about the purpose of abductions, but none are conclusive, and even today, after all these years, we know very little about them. When the abduction study conference was held, it was based exclusively on the theories of Dr. David Jacobs on the genetic intent of our extraterrestrial visitors, i.e. the creation of a hybrid breed with a mixture of human and foreign materials. For this reason, said Jacobs, they abducted eggs and sperm during the abduction of people - many of them saw on board ships incubators and women breastfeeding babies. There are also many reports of pregnancies terminated by aliens and the removal of the fetus around the third or fourth month of pregnancy. In many of the cases I have studied, the reports corresponded to this theory. We also have reports of exciting encounters between mothers and their hybrid children, who stayed there on ships. In other words, kidnappings have a pattern and generally follow this pattern. However, with the passage of time and the observation of the expansion of consciousness and the change in the lives of the abductees, other lines of thought were incorporated and gained strength.
Crédit: BIBLIOTHÈQUE UNIVERSITAIRE HARVARD
Harvard University professor of psychiatry, John Mack, has successfully attempted to give research on ET abduction scientific status.
For example?
American doctor and UFO researcher Leonard Sprinkle, who has dealt with the most frequently contacted and abducted people from the start, particularly at pioneering UFO conferences at Rocky Mountain in Wyoming, USA, believed that the abduction was an education system to transform earthly citizens into cosmic citizens. Dr. John Mack, myself and others believe they are aimed at expanding awareness to save the planet. Budd Hopkins, also another notable researcher, also deceased, thought that the abduction intention was more neutral, that the extraterrestrials would be like scientists searching for our species without more specific interests. The truth is that, even today, we are not sure of the kidnappers' agenda, especially because they speak very little and there are no great explanations for their actions, as in the cases of contact. In the appendix to my book The Transformers of Consciousness, Dr. Maria Clara, in two hypnotic regressions, finds herself in places of teaching and their different stages, as in a process of initiation of humanity.
Interesting. How to use hypnosis safely in case of abduction, without confusing it with other equally exotic experiences?
For me, and also for Dr. Mack, the memory of abduction has a different register from that of the other memories of the individual. Knowledge, belief, reading, movies and all the files already available in books, movies and on the Internet have not contaminated this core. But this memory is not always reached, in particular because there is a strong induction of amnesia on the part of the kidnappers - and what is recovered in the regressive hypnosis procedures represents only the tip of the iceberg of what was experienced by the kidnapped. In addition, this amnesia works like a kind of prolonged release pill and it is only with time that its content becomes available or comes to mind. Such content often appears as fragments of memories, as in dreams. We must also remember that, even if it is a separate memory recording, and although it is not disturbed by beliefs, the abduction report can be interpreted by the individual in function of his personal convictions. The kidnapping, in my research, always presents an armed scenario according to the past of the kidnapping. It is not a coincidence, but a familiar sequence. Therefore, it's probably genetic. For me, after researching brain waves, this memory is stored in another frequency.
Could you explain it better?
Yes, in hypnosis studies, I found that this non-contamination of the file could be linked to a "memory dependent state". According to the book by doctors Ernest Rossi and David Cheek, Mind Body Therapy: Methods of Ideodynamic Healing in Hypnosis [Norton & Company Ideodynamic Healing Methods in Hypnosis, 1994], a hormone released by stress, in any new traumatic situation, can act as a neuro-modulator. This informational substance can modulate the action of the brain's neural system as coded memory and learned in a certain way. The abduction memory has a different register from the other memories of the individual. Knowledge, belief, reading, movies and all the files already available in books, movies and on the Internet have not contaminated this core. There is a strong induction of amnesia by the kidnappers.
But how do you recover the memory of an abduction?
In other words, to recover this memory, a similar state must be reached. I believe that the high frequency, or gamma, that we find in the brains of abductees when they remember the experience can be this state - and that memory is not only visual, but it has a physical and there is a bodily alteration when it is accessed. In addition, by entering this true nucleus, the delighted no longer controls things, as it is in his fantasies, but what we remember appears spontaneously, without interference from the hypnotized person. Usually, he is already in a deep hypnosis level, although conscious, when the episode is relived with all the sensations and memories of the little details, which generally fade over time. We generally remember the emotions associated with the facts, but the memory is not factual, but the symbolic representation of the emotion of a fact experienced.
What species do you kidnap, based on what you discovered in your research?
I cannot speak of a species, because we still do not know what the abduction is and what content the abductees remember. Yes, I can describe the types of foreigners I meet the most in the regressions of individuals who have had such experiences. But what most people don't know is that these descriptions vary depending on the person's region of origin. I still do not know if this variation would be related to the scenario that is always in place for the abduction or if it has to do with the ancestry of individuals. For example, I noticed that in Portugal the predominance is that of reptilian beings carrying out kidnappings - the famous grays or grays are rarer.
And in our country, what types of extraterrestrial beings predominate?
In Brazil, I found reptilian beings with rough, viscous skin, sometimes with batrachian breathing and several times with three claw-shaped fingers. Grays are also less common here, but there are descriptions of equal beings testing humans, such as biological robots, which are also common in the country. In the reports, we found low and high grays. And there is another species described as very tall, thin and white-skinned, like porcelain, with almond-shaped and sometimes bald eyes, or with hair up to the shoulders. In many abductions, there is also a female figure with black hair with an Egyptian type bangs which is also very described. Praying mantises are rarer, but I have found them in the study of certain cases. Within these types and categories, there are variations and we will find higher, lower, thinner, more lit or less entities. It is common to find reports of different types of beings acting in the same abduction. There are also often descriptions of human beings mixed or dressed in long tunics, with a more human face, among others, of extraterrestrial origin.
Crédit: SOCIEDADE BRASILEIRA DE PSIQUIATRIA
Regressive hypnosis procedures are the most appropriate for reviving memories lost during abductions.
During the hypnosis process, is it possible to speak, in real time, with the aliens who carry out the abduction? Have you ever used a similar technique?
This technique was widely used by ufologists when I attended only regressive hypnosis sessions and I still did not work with the process. As the hypnotized person is in an altered state of consciousness (EAC), he has access to a lot of information outside of time and space. However, for this communication to be more real, the kidnapped must relive the situation - then he returns completely at the time of the event. I generally avoid using these features for two reasons. First of all because I am not a ufologist, but a psychologist, and my main interest is to help the person who is going through the experience to alleviate his trauma. Therefore, I'm not working on finding information - maybe I should use this resource, but I think it can make the story easier and lead us to fanciful conclusions. However, it happened spontaneously that the kidnapped hypnotized informed that the being wants to speak to me and send me messages. Generally, I analyze this content as I analyze a chain, I do not accept it as completely true. This procedure avoids disclosing information about the beliefs of the abduction and not about the beings who control the process.
In my research, a woman who had contacts cited an alien named Anael. You also had an affair with a person named Carla who was in contact with a being of the same name.
Can we talk about synchronicity?
In the specific case you are referring to, I do not know whether I regard this as synchronicity or simply coincidence. Names like Anael, Ariel and others are common in the Bible and other writings. But it is possible that there is a relationship between the cases within this immense communication network of our planet. We also know, thanks to very recent studies in parapsychology and even in physics, that these immediate communications at a distance are common. Recently, there was a program on the History Channel about the possibility that people in an altered state of consciousness and in distant places receive the same information from the collective unconscious, from Akashic records or from what is called "the universal spirit ”. We know there are episodes of simultaneous great inventions. In the specific case of abductees, this is more likely to happen as they are already more developed in consciousness.
What are you currently working on? What research in the area of kidnapping are you engaged in?
Currently, I have witnessed many cases of abductees. As if, suddenly, people who had experienced phenomena for a long time were now seeking to understand what had happened - it is as if their consciousness only sought this understanding now. I am also collecting data and reviewing two old cases that have come back for protests to complete their research. I believe that the retrieval of details that we have omitted or not known about certain situations can clarify certain points which are still obscure in research on the abduction. In addition, for the first time, I have the possibility of regressing people who have experienced the same phenomenon together. I am also determined to get support and resources to measure brain waves and map the brains of children of abductees and children with high abilities. The genius must be accompanied by emotional stability or the person will not succeed in what he does. The problem is that our education system is not prepared for these special children and girls of people abducted by ETs.
It's very interesting, can you describe it better?
My hypothesis is that these children with high capacities already have a gamma frequency - high beta frequency - in the frontal lobes, facilitating learning, but sometimes interfering with good performance and causing aggression. The genius must be accompanied by emotional stability or the person will not succeed in what he does. The problem is that our education system is not prepared for these children. I also get the impression that, like the kidnapped, they were already born with a paranormal power different from most people. The great success of books and films like Percy Jackson may be linked to this awareness among young people.
If extraterrestrials are interested in expanding our consciousness, why do they kidnap humans and subject them to traumatic experiences?
Yeah, that's the big question! But when we say that they, the extraterrestrials, are interested in the evolution of our consciousness, it is not based on simple logic, but after years of research. At the start of my work, I myself found it difficult to deal with the people who underwent the abduction process, because I considered it negative. The kidnappers traumatize people, making them have difficult experiences. With much investigation, over the years, we have verified that the result of the process was an expansion of consciousness with a total change in the worldview of the person who lived the experience. In the Divinity School scientists focus group, Harvard, this conclusion was also drawn - whether this expansion of consciousness is a by-product of the deeply traumatized human mind or whether it is intentional on the part extraterrestrials, we don't know. Similarly, the verification of the existence of easy access to gamma waves, mainly in the frontal lobes of abductees, due to their experience, tells us, physically, the result of the experiment increasing the capacity mental of those who lived it.
In your opinion, are there half-human, half-extraterrestrial hybrid beings among us, as reported by Dr. David Jacobs?
Jacobs has already been referring to these hybrids for several years, without changing their minds over the years. When I met him, I asked him for help because I had experience with a being called Ramon, which I report in my book. At the time, I asked him about the possibility of strangers among us, but he walked away and told me to shut up because the researchers were not even ready to know about the kidnappings, imagine then the possibility that there are foreign beings among us. I know from experience that there are hybrids in our country and that they often ignore what they are. In Jacobs' opinion, they are very negative, but I think that he lacks - despite the enormous admiration and respect that I have for his research - knowledge in psychology, symbolism and conditions related to sexual fantasies.
Crédit: JAMIL VILA NOVA
There are countless cases of extraterrestrial abductions in which individuals receive implants, which the interviewee thinks are more energetic than material.
And what is your perception about it?
During my many years of research on alien abductions, I have found children of abductees with very different characteristics from their parents, especially when they relive experiences of abduction by extraterrestrial beings. They are more mental people, very balanced and endowed with great intellectual capacities and leadership. For all these reasons, to learn more about this reality, I would like to be able to make a brain mapping in the children of abducted people and also in a new generation of people contacted and kidnapped.
What exactly do you hope to find by mapping the brains of the children of abductees and this new generation of contacted and abductees?
Precisely after the research on altered states of consciousness (EAC) that I did with four groups of people in Brazil, and by comparing the results, I was able to verify the importance of the high frequencies found on the front of the people contacted and abductees. At that time, research on gamma waves, with frequencies above 40 Hz, was just beginning and it was very difficult to accept and understand this result. Because of the importance of these waves, I would like to test the children of abductees and other children with high abilities - I believe they must already be born with a more activated brain. Our work was published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration and presents the results of the research in a group of five men and eight women between 19 and 72 years old, whose contact or removal took place at least two years before the research . People were selected who could enter into a self-induced trance, without hypnosis, after the experiment and who also did electronic interference.
And what have you discovered?
The analysis revealed that everyone had entered a hyper-activated trance, while maintaining muscle relaxation and stillness, while the electroencephalogram (EEG) exhibited high beta activity in the 19 channels. But the greatest activity was concentrated in the prefrontal and the surroundings. No evidence of organic syndrome was found among the subjects of our research. In cases where there is organicity, we discover slower EEG rhythms. The subjects of our research enter into a hyper-activated and altered state of consciousness similar to that found in subjects in Yogi or Shamadhi ecstasies. Thus, we deduce that our individuals are in ecstasy. In what we consider an abduction and which has been defined as a norm, the person is taken against his will in a non terrestrial place, suffering from paralysis, undergoing examinations, communicating by telepathy, amnesiac and just recovering the memory with the 'hypnosis.
Currently, kidnappings often appear to occur in the abductee's home, as in the case of dormitory visits, or in other areas.
What can you say about it?
In what we consider abduction and which was defined as a standard in the abovementioned MIT Abduction Study Conference, there is not much variation - the person is taken against their will or unconscious in a non-terrestrial place, suffers from paralysis, undergoes physical examinations, communicates by telepathy, has amnesia and recovers its memory only with regressive hypnosis. The phenomenon has always occurred in this non-terrestrial space, as described, but often in the person's house and bed. There is good research on these dormitory tours.
How do these individuals behave during regressive hypnosis sessions?
In my investigations, I observed significant changes in the regressions of young people. I have also looked for and regressed several people who have participated in the same phenomenon, and the result of these procedures is surprising.
What do you mean? What can you tell us about this very interesting fact?
Given that I myself had experience with several people in Manaus and that the regressions carried out with them led to a classic and traumatic abduction in contact with beings seen as masters, these images and memories pushed me to deepen my research in this direction. The result of this analysis reveals that the differences do not lie in the modification of the phenomenon, but in the way we approach it. Since the abovementioned model for abduction was created, other very important details have lost their importance. In addition, we are currently dealing with another generation of abducted people and the differences may also arise - we should always be aware of reports that the memories we recover are not facts, but the emotional interpretation of actual facts. experienced.
Credit: JAMES NEFF
It is common for people who are abducted to not remember the events of the flying saucers.
How is kidnapping research in the world today, after losing important researchers in the field?
They are very weak, both because many prominent researchers have died and because others have left because of age or lack of resources. The Italian ufologist Roberto Pinotti [international correspondent for UFO Magazine] reported during a congress that in Europe this research is also very calm. However, here in Brazil, although we are not very active, we have observed an increasing number of psychologists and hypnologists interested in the subject. A company I was part of, founded by doctors Leonard Sprinkle and Richard Boylan, called the Academy of Immediate Dating Therapists, also stopped operating last year. But Dr. Bárbara Lamb, who was its current president, has migrated to a larger organization, but has just suffered a stroke. The loss of these icons of global research has an impact on the interest of academic organizations in these subjects. At least here in Brazil, some universities, which were not interested in the UFO phenomenon, are starting to help or recognize the subject. Few, like me, David Jacobs, John Carpenter and Apovni, from Portugal, are still collecting data and trying to understand the phenomenon.
What do you think of implants?
Well, X-ray examinations of these so-called alien artifacts that I know of did not indicate that they could be anything other than calcifications or deformities. And, following information from the abductees and my own intuition, I came to the conclusion that the implants are more organic or energetic and therefore difficult to detect. There is a lot of interpretation about them, and since I am not a medium, I do not intervene in these cases. The only important thing that I notice is that most real implants speed up the capacity of abductees who have them in many areas, especially that of increasing knowledge and production.
In recent years, strange circular marks have appeared in humans, for no apparent reason and without anyone noticing.
Do you think they can be linked to the phenomenon of kidnappings?
I have never encountered such strange marks in cases of abduction, which are posted on the Internet and which I have seen only once in one person. There are many signs that abductees show on their bodies upon waking, usually purple spots and round holes like those from bites or injections, but these are not superficial marks on the skin. It is also common to have burns, which darken and detach from the skin without pain or leaving spots. There is already a lot of speculation and many theories about these brands and even sites with interesting studies. They are very repetitive in shape and look rough on the skin. I do not know its origin, but they deserve a different treatment, perhaps related to fields such as parapsychology, magic or the occult orders. If they are related to the abductions, I am not aware of them.
We are dealing with a phenomenon that manipulates minds, designs and uses virtual realities, uses knowledge of archetypes and of our past lives. This is why it is difficult to know what is real and what is the scenario set up by our alien captors.
Have you found cases among your countless patients where implants have been placed? And those who have been withdrawn?
I already had a few episodes with implants supposed at the start of my research. As I explained, later I lost interest in the subject. However, after I returned from Portugal, I researched a case in Rio de Janeiro with UFO magazine co-editor Marco Petit. The witness, Roberto Pinheiro, has an implant in one of his arms. During one of the regressions we did, he relived the painful moment in which the implant was placed. Coincidentally, the artifact is located in the same location as Colonel Uyrangê Holland, commander of Operation Prato. During a congress in Porto Alegre, a man came to me and showed me photos of objects that came out of his skin, certain spheres appear to be made of metal. But we missed each other and so far I haven't regressed.
Have you studied cases in which foreign beings or beings could come from the future or from another dimension?
In the UFO literature, there are many cases of meetings with beings who could be future travelers. But I personally have no report to confirm this assertion. In other dimensions, yes. In my book Transformers of Consciousness, I describe the Maria case, unlike all the others I know, in which there are dimensional passages. The phenomenon of abduction tends to follow a more physical and repetitive pattern which involves two realities - this other reality of abduction has been compared to the Mundus Imaginalis. In the event of contact, there are many memories of passages through portals and dimensions towards other planets and places. Often, during regressive hypnosis sessions with abductees, the scenario changes and he finds himself in another reality, of the past or of another dimension. This is common, but as an armed or designed scenario.
What is your personal opinion on this?
We are dealing with a phenomenon that manipulates minds, designs and uses virtual realities, uses knowledge of archetypes and of our past lives. This is why it is difficult to know what is real and what is the scenario set up by our captors, that is to say those they want us to see. Personally, I believe that throughout the UFO phenomenon, in events recorded on photographs or witnesses, objects clearly enter and leave our reality by materializing from other dimensions. It is good to remember Carl Sagan, in the Cosmos series [1980], about the episode on dimensions.
Crédit: ART EDITORIA
Most abduction cases coincide with most UFO sightings, that is, they happen overnight.
Have you ever had evidence in hypnotic regression that the kidnapping aliens involved came from underground or lunar bases?
In the countless regressive hypnosis sessions that I have conducted, there are reports involving underground bases, but an even larger number with descriptions of caves or underground environments. It was even the object of research of the scientist of the Austrian Academy of Sciences Helmut Lammer on such bases, which he quotes in his book MILAB: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction [MILAB: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction, Illuminet Press, 2000]. More recently, in the various cases, I had the opportunity to investigate, including in my own group and our experience in Serra do Roncador, in Mato Grosso, I found content that suggests passages to caves - these are regressions in people directly involved in research into the phenomena. UFO and with strong memories of experiences in cavernous places and underground bases. I do not yet know exactly how these experiences unfold, whether in our dimension or if there is a change of dimension when entering these underground worlds. The result of all this work that I will present at the IV World Contatados Forum, in Santos, this year [See the announcement in this edition]. Involving moon bases, I have no relation.
Do you believe that you have been abducted at some point in your life?
The main experiences I have lived are reported in my book O Rio Subterrâneo. In my knowledge and understanding, I went through many unusual situations and contact, but I do not correspond to the typical abduction pattern with erased memories and medical examinations on board. However, even if I do not have memories of this type, I do not exclude the possibility of a camouflaged abduction in screen memories. When we save such memories, we never know if there has been a complete capture of what has been experienced or if we have only recovered a projection of the scenario. The film by Carl Sagan Activated [1997] illustrates this point well. What I am aware of having experienced is a process of evolution and expansion of my consciousness - and if I have implants, they have been used to speed up my intelligence and my ability to work. I also stimulated my Kundalini from the contact that I describe as "the special night" in my book O Rio Subterrâneo. I feel like I went through this whole process to be able to do the work I do.
Do the kidnappers exercise any type of control or surveillance over the researchers of the phenomenon? Do you know of cases where this has happened?
Generally ufology researchers in general, and even kidnapping researchers, are not accidentally drawn to the area - almost everyone feels the need to research the facts, search for evidence and seek contact with such intelligences. It always takes them to places where the phenomenon occurs and they end up, even if they don't know it, involved in this energy. Few researchers undergo regressions to find out whether or not they have been abducted. Despite this, and I'm not talking about researchers from the firm or the Internet, they always go out into the field in the hope of gaining experience. They act like any other abductee, with a fixation on the phenomenon that Jacques Vallée called "cosmic seduction". If they were not, they would not pursue research that would only cause them loss and work. In the few UFO researchers I hypnotized, the experience was there, but on an unconscious level. Even in the case of UFO editor, AJ Gevaerd, which was the most recent abduction case I investigated, there were only fragments of memories in dreams - even if they were often exposed to energies and even followed by light. The fact is that we are looking for others and we are forgetting.
Crédits: ARQUIVO UFO
In Brazil, it was Irene Granchi, the eternal matriarch of Brazilian ufology, who first put forward the discussion on extraterrestrial abductions.
Are there physical or medical characteristics that appear as a model in abductees?
In my research and in the world, there are no physical or medical characteristics for the identification of abductees. The problems are the symptoms and the consequences of the process. In the case of my investigations, we found a high frequency of beta waves in the frontal area, when individuals remember the time of their abductions. We now know that these are gamma waves and the frontal ones are responsible for coordinating the higher functions of the brain. We also know that abductees develop leadership skills, a certain telepathy, faster reasoning, an interest in humanity and the planet, and therefore greater spiritual openness.
It's the positive side, but there is another side, right?
Of course. Besides these potentialities that I mentioned, abductees can also develop traumas such as phobias, fear of darkness, height, elevator, hospital, needles, sexual problems, marks unexplained on the body, burns, allergies, nosebleeds, fears with no apparent cause and post-traumatic syndrome. Hospital dreams, sometimes sleep paralysis and a lot of anxiety also occur. What worries me is that when I look at what's going on on the Internet, I realize that different pieces of research have been put together on a lot of websites and disseminated as reality. This is worrisome, as many people with other psychological and physical conditions do not seek treatment because they see themselves as abductees, so this is normal. This current confusion bothers me a lot, including the great mix with the medium and spiritual environment.
Most of the abductees have type O blood, with Rh positive, according to statistics. Do you see this as an explicable fact or as a mere coincidence?
Research on the blood groups of abductees is very divergent. Similarly, in published statistics, we found 37% of abductees belonging to group O with Rh positive and 36% of group A with Rh positive. Therefore, almost as many people. Some researchers claim that the O Rh negative blood group belongs to the gods and descendants of the Nephilim and Anunnaki because they do not have Rh factor and are a rarer group. There is also a prevalence of this factor in Basque and Jewish countries. Be that as it may, many articles attempt to establish this relationship between the blood group of the abductees, but the result of this research and association is not definitive. The kidnapping research community should look further. What seems most obvious to me is the correlation with blood group O, whether positive or negative. But it must also be considered that type A blood with Rh positive is present in a large number of abductees. Without deepening it with serious research, we should only consider coincidences.
Thank you for the clarification. What other phenomena are you studying, besides kidnapping?
I don't start my research with the phenomenon of abduction - my main interest has always been consciousness and its altered or altered states. As I said in another answer, since I was young, I was attracted.
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Guilda Moura, John Mack, Dr.David Jacobs et Irene Granchi.
Guilda Moura - Psychologist and hypnologist (Brazil)
Of all the mysteries that exist in the world and of all the things that we do not yet know, perhaps none captures the human imagination as much as the UFO phenomenon. From its strong messianic aspects, represented in an exemplary way by lights coming from the sky, to its most demonic aspects, like humans held in captivity to serve as guinea pigs in extraterrestrial experiences, ufology has elements for all tastes and interests. But what ufology almost does not have is the scientific seriousness of its research - all over the world, there are few scientists ready to look at UFO phenomenology with the desire to find out what is going on, after everything, so that thousands of people of all nationalities and beliefs declare having seen or been in contact with beings from other worlds.
Not that the information is new, because it is not, but neither the prejudice nor the sense of ridicule that accompanies it. But, fortunately, for those who see ufology as one of the most important and transformative subjects of all time, there are people who have a clear idea that the theme is much deeper than they believe it and devote themselves to the study of aspects of the phenomenon as it really is: difficult, mysterious and, often, intimidating. One of these people is the interviewee of this edition, the psychologist and hypnologist of Rio de Janeiro Gilda Moura.
A call in childhood
Like the vast majority of ufology researchers, our guest's interest in abnormal phenomena began in childhood. And although Gilda was primarily interested in parapsychology and mediumship, and devoted herself to the study of phenomena in these areas, at some point along the path where she was reached by ufology due to a observation not of her, but of her daughter, who occurred in 1970, in Rio de Janeiro. Our interlocutor then studied and researched the subject. In the 1980s, he attended a conference of researchers Jaime Lauda and Carlos Reis and his interest was definitely catalyzed by the subject. At the start of her research, Gilda did not believe in hypnosis - she only started her activities by following, interviewing and observing the people contacted and abducted.
Attending conferences in the United States, she met Dr. David Cheek of the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis, who encouraged her to study and become a hypnologist. Later, with Dr. John Mack, a famous researcher from Harvard University, who died, he had an experience of great impact that happened here in Brazil, in the Amazon. Before going there, however, Gilda was in Varginha with Mack to get information about the famous case there in 1996. They did an interview with Liliane and Valquíria, two of the three girls who first saw time one of the foreigners captured by the army, crouched by a wall [See the editions UFO 222 and 230, now available in full on ufo.com.br].
During a conversation with Liliane, he discovered that in his memory there was a feeling of light and going up to an unknown place. Gilda then discovered the possibility that the girl was kidnapped, but this could not be proven because our interlocutor could not hypnotize her. However, with the results of her research, the psychologist believes that there is a larger plan to help humanity in this period of transition to more consciousness and coexistence with other species in the universe.
Enviable CV
Gilda Moura was co-director, at the Kairos Foundation, University of Illinois, Chicago, of a six-year study on altered states of consciousness and brain mapping, researching four groups of people in Brazil. He was a speaker at the Abduction Studies Conference, held at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), famous in the United States, in 1996. Our interlocutor is the author of the books Transformers of Consciousness [Nova Era, 1992], O Rio Subterrâneo [Nova Era, 1999] and The Secret of Velásquez [Jaguatirica Digital, 2013], the latter being his first work of fiction. The first two papers deal with his research on abduction cases and the characteristics and changes experienced by abductees, in addition to providing other important information. Our interviewee is also a scientific consultant for Consciência magazine, the Transdisciplinary Center for Consciousness Studies (CTEC), Universidade Fernando Pessoa, Portugal, scientific consultant, founder and former vice-president of the Portuguese Association for Clinical Experimental Hypnosis (imaginal ) and Luso-Brazilian Trans-Personal Association (Alubrat), as well as a member of the board of directors of the Association for Research on UFOs (Apovni), also from Portugal. In Brazil, for two decades, Gilda has been a consultant for UFO Magazine and also for the John Mack Research Center (CPJM), in São Paulo. Let's go to the interview.
Our contact is also a scientific consultant for the Consciência journal, the Transdisciplinary Center for Consciousness Studies (CTEC), Universidade Fernando Pessoa, Portugal, scientific consultant, founder and former vice-president of the Portuguese Association for Clinical Experimental Hypnosis (imaginal ) and Luso-Brazilian Trans-Personal Association (Alubrat), as well as a member of the board of directors of the Association for Research on UFOs (Apovni), also from Portugal. In Brazil, for two decades, Gilda has been a consultant for UFO Magazine and also for the John Mack Research Center (CPJM), in São Paulo. Let's go to the interview.
Crédit : ALEXANDRE JUBRAN
The extraterrestrial abduction process, although the most unknown, is considered to be the most complex in UFO phenomenology.
How did you become interested in the mysteries of the mind?
Since I was very young, I was attracted to mystical phenomena. I was raised in a college of French nuns, with a strict Catholic education. As I was a boarding school, I had many hours, just to read the lives of the saints and, like every child raised in this type of environment, I wanted to be a saint and go to heaven. Growing up, I became interested in the phenomena of parapsychology, mediumship and, later, schizophrenia. As a teenager, he left boarding school to attend the conferences of Father Oscar Quevedo and Father Albino Aresi. I even followed the creation of Clínica Mens Sana, by Brother Albino, in Rio de Janeiro.
And your interest in ufology, how did it work?
It started after family members observed a UFO perched near my father's farm in Adrianópolis, Rio de Janeiro. From there, I deepened my research on psychic and paranormal phenomena. At the time, while reading the book of the American parapsychologist Dr Joseph Rhine, I decided to take psychology to have more credit in the results of my investigations. However, despite all these events, I did not believe in the existing research on UFOs - I accepted life on other planets, but that beings from other worlds came here, that was another question. After the events which crossed me the so-called “special evening”, which I relate in my book O Rio Subterrâneo, I was brought to attend certain conferences of the ufologists Jaime Lauda and Carlos Reis, in Rio. Then I spent a few years attending events and participating in the Center for Research on the Nature of Extraterrestrials (CISNE), founded by the late Professor Irene Granchi [Pioneer of Brazilian Ufology who was Honorary President of Revista UFO of during his lifetime].
Was it when you first became interested in alien abductions?
Not exactly. My interest in kidnapping started after a few years. I met the researcher Ademar Eugênio de Mello and then I started to go to São Paulo and to participate in the meetings of the Center for Exological Studies (CEEX), in this city. I also started to receive lessons from researcher Rafael Sempere Durá, who was a professor for many of these ufologists. In addition, the aforementioned Lauda and Melo often stayed with me when they came to Rio. These meetings and certain phenomena that happened to me were remarkable in my research. I did not choose to do research in ufology, I was taken and trained for it, being very small, I was attracted by mystical phenomena. I was raised in a college of French nuns, with a strict Catholic education. Since I was a boarding school, I had many hours, just to read the lives of the saints and I wanted to be a saint and gain heaven.
His interest in the kidnappings came later. How? 'Or' What?
The first case of its kind that caught my attention was that of a boy whom I will call Claudio, whose initial research was carried out by the Association of Exological Research of São Paulo (APEX) and whose regressive hypnosis was directed by Mário Nogueira Rangel. What caught my attention in Claudio's experience was the dilation of the boy's consciousness - in fact, my study focused on understanding the mechanisms of consciousness and its expansion in various states. I still didn't know what the kidnapping was and we didn't hear much about it in Brazil. My interest was, as a psychologist, to be able to help the boy.
How did you react when analyzing this abduction case?
Therefore, the distinction I made at that time was between physical and non-physical contact with extraterrestrial beings. I was still torn between what was a real experience and what could be a hallucination or a psychotic crisis, and this doubt led me to deepen my understanding of this event more and more and to start seeing others people with similar experiences. I remember when I went to Buenos Aires, the Argentine researcher Fábio Zerpa put me on television and presented the Claudio case as a milestone in ufology. It makes a lot of sense to me today, that is to say that ufology is understood before and after my vision of the abductions.
After the Claudio affair, what other remarkable event did you look for?
The second notable event in my study was that of a girl whom I call Suzy in my book. The whole experience of her and her family has been extraordinary. On this subject, everything that seemed strange to me, I put it on a shelf and, despite not believing it, I did not throw it away. I lived a lot with all these facts and the first regression of Suzy was Fábio Zerpa who did it. It was exciting when we watched the movie Intruders [1992] together and she was crying all the time - she saw her story in the movie, with things she didn't have access to because at that time there was no publications in Portuguese on the subject. When researching the Suzy case, we knew very little about the abduction phenomenon and the energy that emanated from it affected us all. From there, I started the first abduction support group with professionals from various fields, including spiritual knowledge, to learn to understand the phenomenon.
Crédit: RAFAEL AMORIM
There are many cases where people are surprised to meet extraterrestrials in different situations.
How did interest in hypnosis come about?
At the time of research on Suzy Case and others, with the group, I began to travel to the United States and participate in conferences to study the trauma of the abductions, victims of satanic rituals, multiple personalities and research on the Kundalini, because I think it was all involved in the phenomenon. At a conference hosted by American psychiatrist Rima Laibow, I met Dr. David Cheek, who urged me to take hypnosis classes at the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis, saying things I already knew , I just needed to formalize. So I did all the learning levels, because classic hypnosis bothered me to interfere in the patient's mind and not the new, clinical modality. I have studied a lot, traveled even more and participated in meetings at home and in the Extraordinary Experience Research Program (PEER) group, by the late Dr. John Mack, in Boston. Since I had children studying and living in the United States, it was easier for me to have this opportunity.
And after that, how did things evolve?
When I started working with hypnosis, I did a lot of work in Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo, Curitiba and Buenos Aires, which gave me practice and materials to understand the pattern of abductions. . Knowledge of American scientific and clinical studies also helped me a lot and influenced my vision of the phenomenon. Right after, I went to do my research on altered states of consciousness (EAC) in Brazil, with a brain mapping of individuals, which I will talk about next. I am currently finishing an article on hypnotic regression in ET’s abductions which clarifies many points. I also help many kidnapped people from various regions of Brazil, by looking again for certain cases and by regressing for the first time people who have experienced the same phenomenon in the same place - this learning changes my vision of these experiences, and part from what I have already learned and I presented at the VII World Ufology Forum, which UFO magazine held in December 2015, in Foz do Iguaçu.
What was the most interesting abduction episode you have ever studied?
It is difficult to define a case as the most important. I had remarkable events in my research, which were emblematic, and I just have to thank people for sharing such experiences with me. As I mentioned, the Claudio and Suzy cases were important because they were the first. Next, the abduction of Marco Cabral was also special because it involved paranormality and interference with electronic equipment - this study was highlighted for being a case involving great trauma and for helping the witness to get rid of the fear that 'he had at the time, in addition to help me manage my own fear of phenomena. As Rima Laibow said at a kidnapping convention she hosted, "Calm down Gilda, we're all afraid and we don't know what we're talking about." There are many theories about the purpose of abductions, but none are conclusive, and even today, after all these years, we know very little about them. For Dr. David Jacobs, it would be the creation of a hybrid race with human and extraterrestrial materials.
Could you explain your fear better?
The energy that was released in the process of investigating the case of Marco Cabral came to us and aroused fear in us, because we saw it as negative. But when we could understand that it was not a negative force, but a frequency higher than that to which we were accustomed, the fear was released. My research on the brain mapping of four different groups of SCE in Brazil has helped a lot to differentiate these aspects. Two other striking cases that I can cite are those of Carla Baptista, for having, as with Claudio, a mixture of mediumistic aspects involved, and that of Dr Maria Clara. Both are Portuguese.
What can you tell us about these cases of alien abductions?
The Carla case is important because it involved an abduction with three people and the car in which they were. This event is on the website of the UFO Research Association (Apovni) [Address: . Carla is a good artist, she provided us with the best drawings we have of the beings who removed her - I accompanied her for two years before the first regression. Another striking case is that of Dr. Maria Clara, who provided me with the largest number of regressions in a survey. With her calm and wisdom, she helped me clarify many details. I could not fail to mention the Picanço affair, which took place in Manaus, which, now, after two decades, is ready to talk about what happened on his farm [He is one of the speakers, with the interview, from the IV World Contact Forum.
In your opinion, what is the main interest of our extraterrestrial visitors in kidnappings? What do they want from us?
There are many theories about the purpose of abductions, but none are conclusive, and even today, after all these years, we know very little about them. When the abduction study conference was held, it was based exclusively on the theories of Dr. David Jacobs on the genetic intent of our extraterrestrial visitors, i.e. the creation of a hybrid breed with a mixture of human and foreign materials. For this reason, said Jacobs, they abducted eggs and sperm during the abduction of people - many of them saw on board ships incubators and women breastfeeding babies. There are also many reports of pregnancies terminated by aliens and the removal of the fetus around the third or fourth month of pregnancy. In many of the cases I have studied, the reports corresponded to this theory. We also have reports of exciting encounters between mothers and their hybrid children, who stayed there on ships. In other words, kidnappings have a pattern and generally follow this pattern. However, with the passage of time and the observation of the expansion of consciousness and the change in the lives of the abductees, other lines of thought were incorporated and gained strength.
Crédit: BIBLIOTHÈQUE UNIVERSITAIRE HARVARD
Harvard University professor of psychiatry, John Mack, has successfully attempted to give research on ET abduction scientific status.
For example?
American doctor and UFO researcher Leonard Sprinkle, who has dealt with the most frequently contacted and abducted people from the start, particularly at pioneering UFO conferences at Rocky Mountain in Wyoming, USA, believed that the abduction was an education system to transform earthly citizens into cosmic citizens. Dr. John Mack, myself and others believe they are aimed at expanding awareness to save the planet. Budd Hopkins, also another notable researcher, also deceased, thought that the abduction intention was more neutral, that the extraterrestrials would be like scientists searching for our species without more specific interests. The truth is that, even today, we are not sure of the kidnappers' agenda, especially because they speak very little and there are no great explanations for their actions, as in the cases of contact. In the appendix to my book The Transformers of Consciousness, Dr. Maria Clara, in two hypnotic regressions, finds herself in places of teaching and their different stages, as in a process of initiation of humanity.
Interesting. How to use hypnosis safely in case of abduction, without confusing it with other equally exotic experiences?
For me, and also for Dr. Mack, the memory of abduction has a different register from that of the other memories of the individual. Knowledge, belief, reading, movies and all the files already available in books, movies and on the Internet have not contaminated this core. But this memory is not always reached, in particular because there is a strong induction of amnesia on the part of the kidnappers - and what is recovered in the regressive hypnosis procedures represents only the tip of the iceberg of what was experienced by the kidnapped. In addition, this amnesia works like a kind of prolonged release pill and it is only with time that its content becomes available or comes to mind. Such content often appears as fragments of memories, as in dreams. We must also remember that, even if it is a separate memory recording, and although it is not disturbed by beliefs, the abduction report can be interpreted by the individual in function of his personal convictions. The kidnapping, in my research, always presents an armed scenario according to the past of the kidnapping. It is not a coincidence, but a familiar sequence. Therefore, it's probably genetic. For me, after researching brain waves, this memory is stored in another frequency.
Could you explain it better?
Yes, in hypnosis studies, I found that this non-contamination of the file could be linked to a "memory dependent state". According to the book by doctors Ernest Rossi and David Cheek, Mind Body Therapy: Methods of Ideodynamic Healing in Hypnosis [Norton & Company Ideodynamic Healing Methods in Hypnosis, 1994], a hormone released by stress, in any new traumatic situation, can act as a neuro-modulator. This informational substance can modulate the action of the brain's neural system as coded memory and learned in a certain way. The abduction memory has a different register from the other memories of the individual. Knowledge, belief, reading, movies and all the files already available in books, movies and on the Internet have not contaminated this core. There is a strong induction of amnesia by the kidnappers.
But how do you recover the memory of an abduction?
In other words, to recover this memory, a similar state must be reached. I believe that the high frequency, or gamma, that we find in the brains of abductees when they remember the experience can be this state - and that memory is not only visual, but it has a physical and there is a bodily alteration when it is accessed. In addition, by entering this true nucleus, the delighted no longer controls things, as it is in his fantasies, but what we remember appears spontaneously, without interference from the hypnotized person. Usually, he is already in a deep hypnosis level, although conscious, when the episode is relived with all the sensations and memories of the little details, which generally fade over time. We generally remember the emotions associated with the facts, but the memory is not factual, but the symbolic representation of the emotion of a fact experienced.
What species do you kidnap, based on what you discovered in your research?
I cannot speak of a species, because we still do not know what the abduction is and what content the abductees remember. Yes, I can describe the types of foreigners I meet the most in the regressions of individuals who have had such experiences. But what most people don't know is that these descriptions vary depending on the person's region of origin. I still do not know if this variation would be related to the scenario that is always in place for the abduction or if it has to do with the ancestry of individuals. For example, I noticed that in Portugal the predominance is that of reptilian beings carrying out kidnappings - the famous grays or grays are rarer.
And in our country, what types of extraterrestrial beings predominate?
In Brazil, I found reptilian beings with rough, viscous skin, sometimes with batrachian breathing and several times with three claw-shaped fingers. Grays are also less common here, but there are descriptions of equal beings testing humans, such as biological robots, which are also common in the country. In the reports, we found low and high grays. And there is another species described as very tall, thin and white-skinned, like porcelain, with almond-shaped and sometimes bald eyes, or with hair up to the shoulders. In many abductions, there is also a female figure with black hair with an Egyptian type bangs which is also very described. Praying mantises are rarer, but I have found them in the study of certain cases. Within these types and categories, there are variations and we will find higher, lower, thinner, more lit or less entities. It is common to find reports of different types of beings acting in the same abduction. There are also often descriptions of human beings mixed or dressed in long tunics, with a more human face, among others, of extraterrestrial origin.
Crédit: SOCIEDADE BRASILEIRA DE PSIQUIATRIA
Regressive hypnosis procedures are the most appropriate for reviving memories lost during abductions.
During the hypnosis process, is it possible to speak, in real time, with the aliens who carry out the abduction? Have you ever used a similar technique?
This technique was widely used by ufologists when I attended only regressive hypnosis sessions and I still did not work with the process. As the hypnotized person is in an altered state of consciousness (EAC), he has access to a lot of information outside of time and space. However, for this communication to be more real, the kidnapped must relive the situation - then he returns completely at the time of the event. I generally avoid using these features for two reasons. First of all because I am not a ufologist, but a psychologist, and my main interest is to help the person who is going through the experience to alleviate his trauma. Therefore, I'm not working on finding information - maybe I should use this resource, but I think it can make the story easier and lead us to fanciful conclusions. However, it happened spontaneously that the kidnapped hypnotized informed that the being wants to speak to me and send me messages. Generally, I analyze this content as I analyze a chain, I do not accept it as completely true. This procedure avoids disclosing information about the beliefs of the abduction and not about the beings who control the process.
In my research, a woman who had contacts cited an alien named Anael. You also had an affair with a person named Carla who was in contact with a being of the same name.
Can we talk about synchronicity?
In the specific case you are referring to, I do not know whether I regard this as synchronicity or simply coincidence. Names like Anael, Ariel and others are common in the Bible and other writings. But it is possible that there is a relationship between the cases within this immense communication network of our planet. We also know, thanks to very recent studies in parapsychology and even in physics, that these immediate communications at a distance are common. Recently, there was a program on the History Channel about the possibility that people in an altered state of consciousness and in distant places receive the same information from the collective unconscious, from Akashic records or from what is called "the universal spirit ”. We know there are episodes of simultaneous great inventions. In the specific case of abductees, this is more likely to happen as they are already more developed in consciousness.
What are you currently working on? What research in the area of kidnapping are you engaged in?
Currently, I have witnessed many cases of abductees. As if, suddenly, people who had experienced phenomena for a long time were now seeking to understand what had happened - it is as if their consciousness only sought this understanding now. I am also collecting data and reviewing two old cases that have come back for protests to complete their research. I believe that the retrieval of details that we have omitted or not known about certain situations can clarify certain points which are still obscure in research on the abduction. In addition, for the first time, I have the possibility of regressing people who have experienced the same phenomenon together. I am also determined to get support and resources to measure brain waves and map the brains of children of abductees and children with high abilities. The genius must be accompanied by emotional stability or the person will not succeed in what he does. The problem is that our education system is not prepared for these special children and girls of people abducted by ETs.
It's very interesting, can you describe it better?
My hypothesis is that these children with high capacities already have a gamma frequency - high beta frequency - in the frontal lobes, facilitating learning, but sometimes interfering with good performance and causing aggression. The genius must be accompanied by emotional stability or the person will not succeed in what he does. The problem is that our education system is not prepared for these children. I also get the impression that, like the kidnapped, they were already born with a paranormal power different from most people. The great success of books and films like Percy Jackson may be linked to this awareness among young people.
If extraterrestrials are interested in expanding our consciousness, why do they kidnap humans and subject them to traumatic experiences?
Yeah, that's the big question! But when we say that they, the extraterrestrials, are interested in the evolution of our consciousness, it is not based on simple logic, but after years of research. At the start of my work, I myself found it difficult to deal with the people who underwent the abduction process, because I considered it negative. The kidnappers traumatize people, making them have difficult experiences. With much investigation, over the years, we have verified that the result of the process was an expansion of consciousness with a total change in the worldview of the person who lived the experience. In the Divinity School scientists focus group, Harvard, this conclusion was also drawn - whether this expansion of consciousness is a by-product of the deeply traumatized human mind or whether it is intentional on the part extraterrestrials, we don't know. Similarly, the verification of the existence of easy access to gamma waves, mainly in the frontal lobes of abductees, due to their experience, tells us, physically, the result of the experiment increasing the capacity mental of those who lived it.
In your opinion, are there half-human, half-extraterrestrial hybrid beings among us, as reported by Dr. David Jacobs?
Jacobs has already been referring to these hybrids for several years, without changing their minds over the years. When I met him, I asked him for help because I had experience with a being called Ramon, which I report in my book. At the time, I asked him about the possibility of strangers among us, but he walked away and told me to shut up because the researchers were not even ready to know about the kidnappings, imagine then the possibility that there are foreign beings among us. I know from experience that there are hybrids in our country and that they often ignore what they are. In Jacobs' opinion, they are very negative, but I think that he lacks - despite the enormous admiration and respect that I have for his research - knowledge in psychology, symbolism and conditions related to sexual fantasies.
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There are countless cases of extraterrestrial abductions in which individuals receive implants, which the interviewee thinks are more energetic than material.
And what is your perception about it?
During my many years of research on alien abductions, I have found children of abductees with very different characteristics from their parents, especially when they relive experiences of abduction by extraterrestrial beings. They are more mental people, very balanced and endowed with great intellectual capacities and leadership. For all these reasons, to learn more about this reality, I would like to be able to make a brain mapping in the children of abducted people and also in a new generation of people contacted and kidnapped.
What exactly do you hope to find by mapping the brains of the children of abductees and this new generation of contacted and abductees?
Precisely after the research on altered states of consciousness (EAC) that I did with four groups of people in Brazil, and by comparing the results, I was able to verify the importance of the high frequencies found on the front of the people contacted and abductees. At that time, research on gamma waves, with frequencies above 40 Hz, was just beginning and it was very difficult to accept and understand this result. Because of the importance of these waves, I would like to test the children of abductees and other children with high abilities - I believe they must already be born with a more activated brain. Our work was published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration and presents the results of the research in a group of five men and eight women between 19 and 72 years old, whose contact or removal took place at least two years before the research . People were selected who could enter into a self-induced trance, without hypnosis, after the experiment and who also did electronic interference.
And what have you discovered?
The analysis revealed that everyone had entered a hyper-activated trance, while maintaining muscle relaxation and stillness, while the electroencephalogram (EEG) exhibited high beta activity in the 19 channels. But the greatest activity was concentrated in the prefrontal and the surroundings. No evidence of organic syndrome was found among the subjects of our research. In cases where there is organicity, we discover slower EEG rhythms. The subjects of our research enter into a hyper-activated and altered state of consciousness similar to that found in subjects in Yogi or Shamadhi ecstasies. Thus, we deduce that our individuals are in ecstasy. In what we consider an abduction and which has been defined as a norm, the person is taken against his will in a non terrestrial place, suffering from paralysis, undergoing examinations, communicating by telepathy, amnesiac and just recovering the memory with the 'hypnosis.
Currently, kidnappings often appear to occur in the abductee's home, as in the case of dormitory visits, or in other areas.
What can you say about it?
In what we consider abduction and which was defined as a standard in the abovementioned MIT Abduction Study Conference, there is not much variation - the person is taken against their will or unconscious in a non-terrestrial place, suffers from paralysis, undergoes physical examinations, communicates by telepathy, has amnesia and recovers its memory only with regressive hypnosis. The phenomenon has always occurred in this non-terrestrial space, as described, but often in the person's house and bed. There is good research on these dormitory tours.
How do these individuals behave during regressive hypnosis sessions?
In my investigations, I observed significant changes in the regressions of young people. I have also looked for and regressed several people who have participated in the same phenomenon, and the result of these procedures is surprising.
What do you mean? What can you tell us about this very interesting fact?
Given that I myself had experience with several people in Manaus and that the regressions carried out with them led to a classic and traumatic abduction in contact with beings seen as masters, these images and memories pushed me to deepen my research in this direction. The result of this analysis reveals that the differences do not lie in the modification of the phenomenon, but in the way we approach it. Since the abovementioned model for abduction was created, other very important details have lost their importance. In addition, we are currently dealing with another generation of abducted people and the differences may also arise - we should always be aware of reports that the memories we recover are not facts, but the emotional interpretation of actual facts. experienced.
Credit: JAMES NEFF
It is common for people who are abducted to not remember the events of the flying saucers.
How is kidnapping research in the world today, after losing important researchers in the field?
They are very weak, both because many prominent researchers have died and because others have left because of age or lack of resources. The Italian ufologist Roberto Pinotti [international correspondent for UFO Magazine] reported during a congress that in Europe this research is also very calm. However, here in Brazil, although we are not very active, we have observed an increasing number of psychologists and hypnologists interested in the subject. A company I was part of, founded by doctors Leonard Sprinkle and Richard Boylan, called the Academy of Immediate Dating Therapists, also stopped operating last year. But Dr. Bárbara Lamb, who was its current president, has migrated to a larger organization, but has just suffered a stroke. The loss of these icons of global research has an impact on the interest of academic organizations in these subjects. At least here in Brazil, some universities, which were not interested in the UFO phenomenon, are starting to help or recognize the subject. Few, like me, David Jacobs, John Carpenter and Apovni, from Portugal, are still collecting data and trying to understand the phenomenon.
What do you think of implants?
Well, X-ray examinations of these so-called alien artifacts that I know of did not indicate that they could be anything other than calcifications or deformities. And, following information from the abductees and my own intuition, I came to the conclusion that the implants are more organic or energetic and therefore difficult to detect. There is a lot of interpretation about them, and since I am not a medium, I do not intervene in these cases. The only important thing that I notice is that most real implants speed up the capacity of abductees who have them in many areas, especially that of increasing knowledge and production.
In recent years, strange circular marks have appeared in humans, for no apparent reason and without anyone noticing.
Do you think they can be linked to the phenomenon of kidnappings?
I have never encountered such strange marks in cases of abduction, which are posted on the Internet and which I have seen only once in one person. There are many signs that abductees show on their bodies upon waking, usually purple spots and round holes like those from bites or injections, but these are not superficial marks on the skin. It is also common to have burns, which darken and detach from the skin without pain or leaving spots. There is already a lot of speculation and many theories about these brands and even sites with interesting studies. They are very repetitive in shape and look rough on the skin. I do not know its origin, but they deserve a different treatment, perhaps related to fields such as parapsychology, magic or the occult orders. If they are related to the abductions, I am not aware of them.
We are dealing with a phenomenon that manipulates minds, designs and uses virtual realities, uses knowledge of archetypes and of our past lives. This is why it is difficult to know what is real and what is the scenario set up by our alien captors.
Have you found cases among your countless patients where implants have been placed? And those who have been withdrawn?
I already had a few episodes with implants supposed at the start of my research. As I explained, later I lost interest in the subject. However, after I returned from Portugal, I researched a case in Rio de Janeiro with UFO magazine co-editor Marco Petit. The witness, Roberto Pinheiro, has an implant in one of his arms. During one of the regressions we did, he relived the painful moment in which the implant was placed. Coincidentally, the artifact is located in the same location as Colonel Uyrangê Holland, commander of Operation Prato. During a congress in Porto Alegre, a man came to me and showed me photos of objects that came out of his skin, certain spheres appear to be made of metal. But we missed each other and so far I haven't regressed.
Have you studied cases in which foreign beings or beings could come from the future or from another dimension?
In the UFO literature, there are many cases of meetings with beings who could be future travelers. But I personally have no report to confirm this assertion. In other dimensions, yes. In my book Transformers of Consciousness, I describe the Maria case, unlike all the others I know, in which there are dimensional passages. The phenomenon of abduction tends to follow a more physical and repetitive pattern which involves two realities - this other reality of abduction has been compared to the Mundus Imaginalis. In the event of contact, there are many memories of passages through portals and dimensions towards other planets and places. Often, during regressive hypnosis sessions with abductees, the scenario changes and he finds himself in another reality, of the past or of another dimension. This is common, but as an armed or designed scenario.
What is your personal opinion on this?
We are dealing with a phenomenon that manipulates minds, designs and uses virtual realities, uses knowledge of archetypes and of our past lives. This is why it is difficult to know what is real and what is the scenario set up by our captors, that is to say those they want us to see. Personally, I believe that throughout the UFO phenomenon, in events recorded on photographs or witnesses, objects clearly enter and leave our reality by materializing from other dimensions. It is good to remember Carl Sagan, in the Cosmos series [1980], about the episode on dimensions.
Crédit: ART EDITORIA
Most abduction cases coincide with most UFO sightings, that is, they happen overnight.
Have you ever had evidence in hypnotic regression that the kidnapping aliens involved came from underground or lunar bases?
In the countless regressive hypnosis sessions that I have conducted, there are reports involving underground bases, but an even larger number with descriptions of caves or underground environments. It was even the object of research of the scientist of the Austrian Academy of Sciences Helmut Lammer on such bases, which he quotes in his book MILAB: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction [MILAB: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction, Illuminet Press, 2000]. More recently, in the various cases, I had the opportunity to investigate, including in my own group and our experience in Serra do Roncador, in Mato Grosso, I found content that suggests passages to caves - these are regressions in people directly involved in research into the phenomena. UFO and with strong memories of experiences in cavernous places and underground bases. I do not yet know exactly how these experiences unfold, whether in our dimension or if there is a change of dimension when entering these underground worlds. The result of all this work that I will present at the IV World Contatados Forum, in Santos, this year [See the announcement in this edition]. Involving moon bases, I have no relation.
Do you believe that you have been abducted at some point in your life?
The main experiences I have lived are reported in my book O Rio Subterrâneo. In my knowledge and understanding, I went through many unusual situations and contact, but I do not correspond to the typical abduction pattern with erased memories and medical examinations on board. However, even if I do not have memories of this type, I do not exclude the possibility of a camouflaged abduction in screen memories. When we save such memories, we never know if there has been a complete capture of what has been experienced or if we have only recovered a projection of the scenario. The film by Carl Sagan Activated [1997] illustrates this point well. What I am aware of having experienced is a process of evolution and expansion of my consciousness - and if I have implants, they have been used to speed up my intelligence and my ability to work. I also stimulated my Kundalini from the contact that I describe as "the special night" in my book O Rio Subterrâneo. I feel like I went through this whole process to be able to do the work I do.
Do the kidnappers exercise any type of control or surveillance over the researchers of the phenomenon? Do you know of cases where this has happened?
Generally ufology researchers in general, and even kidnapping researchers, are not accidentally drawn to the area - almost everyone feels the need to research the facts, search for evidence and seek contact with such intelligences. It always takes them to places where the phenomenon occurs and they end up, even if they don't know it, involved in this energy. Few researchers undergo regressions to find out whether or not they have been abducted. Despite this, and I'm not talking about researchers from the firm or the Internet, they always go out into the field in the hope of gaining experience. They act like any other abductee, with a fixation on the phenomenon that Jacques Vallée called "cosmic seduction". If they were not, they would not pursue research that would only cause them loss and work. In the few UFO researchers I hypnotized, the experience was there, but on an unconscious level. Even in the case of UFO editor, AJ Gevaerd, which was the most recent abduction case I investigated, there were only fragments of memories in dreams - even if they were often exposed to energies and even followed by light. The fact is that we are looking for others and we are forgetting.
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In Brazil, it was Irene Granchi, the eternal matriarch of Brazilian ufology, who first put forward the discussion on extraterrestrial abductions.
Are there physical or medical characteristics that appear as a model in abductees?
In my research and in the world, there are no physical or medical characteristics for the identification of abductees. The problems are the symptoms and the consequences of the process. In the case of my investigations, we found a high frequency of beta waves in the frontal area, when individuals remember the time of their abductions. We now know that these are gamma waves and the frontal ones are responsible for coordinating the higher functions of the brain. We also know that abductees develop leadership skills, a certain telepathy, faster reasoning, an interest in humanity and the planet, and therefore greater spiritual openness.
It's the positive side, but there is another side, right?
Of course. Besides these potentialities that I mentioned, abductees can also develop traumas such as phobias, fear of darkness, height, elevator, hospital, needles, sexual problems, marks unexplained on the body, burns, allergies, nosebleeds, fears with no apparent cause and post-traumatic syndrome. Hospital dreams, sometimes sleep paralysis and a lot of anxiety also occur. What worries me is that when I look at what's going on on the Internet, I realize that different pieces of research have been put together on a lot of websites and disseminated as reality. This is worrisome, as many people with other psychological and physical conditions do not seek treatment because they see themselves as abductees, so this is normal. This current confusion bothers me a lot, including the great mix with the medium and spiritual environment.
Most of the abductees have type O blood, with Rh positive, according to statistics. Do you see this as an explicable fact or as a mere coincidence?
Research on the blood groups of abductees is very divergent. Similarly, in published statistics, we found 37% of abductees belonging to group O with Rh positive and 36% of group A with Rh positive. Therefore, almost as many people. Some researchers claim that the O Rh negative blood group belongs to the gods and descendants of the Nephilim and Anunnaki because they do not have Rh factor and are a rarer group. There is also a prevalence of this factor in Basque and Jewish countries. Be that as it may, many articles attempt to establish this relationship between the blood group of the abductees, but the result of this research and association is not definitive. The kidnapping research community should look further. What seems most obvious to me is the correlation with blood group O, whether positive or negative. But it must also be considered that type A blood with Rh positive is present in a large number of abductees. Without deepening it with serious research, we should only consider coincidences.
Thank you for the clarification. What other phenomena are you studying, besides kidnapping?
I don't start my research with the phenomenon of abduction - my main interest has always been consciousness and its altered or altered states. As I said in another answer, since I was young, I was attracted.
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