Post by Andrei Tchentchik on Jan 31, 2020 10:24:47 GMT 2
(.#371).- David Icke. Humanity is collectively hypnotized by an illusion.
David Icke. Humanity is collectively hypnotized by an illusion.
April 28, 2015.
A Karmapolis interview with David Icke, the author of the bestsellers "The Greatest Secret" and "The Children of the Matrix". Shortly before the release of his new book "Infinite Love is the Only True", the author of conspiracy books among the most contested by the media but also the most popular answers our questions about his vision of the world and what is really this matrix.
David Icke speaks to us about his vision of our universe of matter and provides us with some clarifications and well-felt remarks to clearly explain how this ubiquitous matrix works. Certainly, the name "matrix" comes from the film of the Wachowski brothers and Icke refers to it many times in his book "Tales from the Time Loop", "Tales of Loops of Time".
The reference to the film is therefore far from free but it is not about taking the content of this feature-length science fiction film literally. Maybe even Icke's model is actually much worse because more devious. As we have said, David Icke's system of description of the universe and reality is very coherent because it is based on certain models of universe representation speculated by high-flying scientists.
According to him, our collective subconscious has created a kind of super monster, a virtual "Frankenstein" that has become an autonomous and conscious thing whose goal is to control us. From controllers, we became controlled. This matrix - our reality - is nothing more than an illusion, a holographic projection in 3 dimensions in which our consciousness is struggling, trapped by the illusion of time, space and energy. apparent strength of the material. This matrix has also created its "Smith agents", entities that parasitize or incarnate in the body of those who lead our world behind the scenes.
These "Smith agents" are not souls in the classical sense of the word but kinds of conscious computer programs that crystallize in our universe in 3D in the form of entities that parasitize human beings. These agents are what David Icke calls "reptilians".
An ultra conspiracy vision and rather "west"? At first sight, this strange vision of our reality may seem laughable and many, especially in England, who have paid a good time on the back of David Icke by treating it as delusional. In any case, no one forces you to believe that the Windsor family that reigns over the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth is turning into a reptilian entity in bloody and pagan rituals. You can skip it if it bothers too much and interest you in other aspects of his work.
It is necessary on the one hand to have read the entirety of the work of the interested person but also very numerous other authors to understand from where Icke draws the potential validity of the existence of these reptilian beings. These books show how much the symbolism of dragons, snakes, and reptilian creatures is recurrent and important in many religions and founding myths.
The abduction narratives are also revealing (albeit a very small one as far as "reptilian" entities are concerned), as are some testimonies that focus on the phenomenon of shape shifting, the change of form. But what is "shape shifting"?
It would be the sudden change in the appearance of a human being whose appearance seems to "trouble" to give way to another equally tangible creature, namely a being of the reptilian type. "Shape shifting" (which also makes sense in a world of holographic nature) seems at first glance a very fanciful phenomenon that is hard to take seriously. However, it is interesting to go beyond the first reflex of rejection to read to the end the testimonials and books that speak as the many websites dedicated almost exclusively to reptilians and other draconians.
It is therefore appropriate, as we have just mentioned, not to stop simply at the simple fact that a number of authors who are specialists in the subject assert that the British royal family, like a certain section of the nobility, European (black nobility) as well as some world leaders (like Bush) are reptilians who are "shape shiften", who metamorphose themselves during certain rituals. Try to go beyond your very understandable reluctance to analyze the subject as far as you can, sort it out and there will be something left.
David Icke has thus succeeded in ordering all his eclectic and numerous observations in a coherent system whose intuition and order have been inspired, he tells us, through intense experiences at Ayahuasca, this thingytail powerful hallucinogen manufactured by the Indians of the Amazon basin. Icke tells us in his book what he was able to perceive in the form of a dynamic system or rather what a kind of imperious voice or inner consciousness dictated to him.
We invite you to read this interview, but we advise you to read the explanatory article in two parts on the holographic nature of the universe to better understand the scope of David Icke's answers. We also advise you to read in English his penultimate work "Tales from the Time Loop" and his latest album - "Infinite Love is the only Truth", "infinite love is the only answer" that will be released on April 22 editions "Bridge of Love" and which is still in press at the time we write these lines. The title of the book certainly sounds like a kind of New Age mantra but Icke's ideas stand out quite singularly.
He even believes that this seemingly messy and citizenlike movement is actually a manipulation. Finally, be aware that the latest news taken in Canada from our friend Nenki, one of Icke's French-language distributors in Canada, the second volume of "Children of the Matrix" is also in press and will also be released from here to the end of April at Editions Louise Courteau. If you are not a fan of the character, you could still be tempted by the third part of the book "Tales from the Time Loop" which is an interesting exploration of scientific speculations.
Interview With David Icke
Karma One : Regardless of the fact that the matrix is its own source, that it is creative of itself, what is the deep source of this matrix? Who or what created it and for what purpose, other than trapping us? Someone must have had the idea to create it, what is its creator?
David Icke : I could say that this is actually our own collective subconscious that has taken shape and life in its own way. An ancient Hindu myth claims that human consciousness started in a shudder, a ripple that decided to leave the ocean of consciousness, the eternal "without time and space". When this consciousness awakened to itself in this state of disconnection, the myth then asserts that it forgot that it was part of the infinite ocean and felt isolated and separate. That sounds pretty much like what I say in my own way. In this disconnected state-like little lost children-we collectively created the womb and we came to be controlled and deceived by our own creation. I explain all of this in detail in my new book - "Infinite Love Is the Only Truth", "infinite love is the only truth" -. Everything else is an illusion.
Karma One : You affirm that the matrix is conscious of itself, an autonomous and conscious entity that is the source of our consensual reality. What is the true nature of this entity?
David Icke : It's a consciousness that has also lost its way. You can think of it as the consciousness of a kind of Frankenstein who took power over his creators. We remain his prisoners as long as we remain ignorant of our condition and as long as we believe that this world is real. He is not. This is the projection of an illusion in the form of a hologram that looks very much like what is portrayed in the movie "The Matrix".
Karma One : Do we really belong to the matrix or something else? What are our real origins?
David Icke : Everything is infinite consciousness. At this level of awakening, enlightenment, there is no "we" but only an infinite "I". But in this reality, we have been caught in the illusion of separation. We think in terms of "parts" and not in terms of "everything". This duality and this polarity is the ultimate version of "divide to conquer". The matrix (ie, this illusory world) is what I call the Holographic Internet. Our brains coupled with our DNA are like a computer terminal connected to the big world network, the World Wide Web. When you connect to a computer in China, America or France, you are actually connected to the same Internet network, ie to the same collective reality.
What you do with it gives you your sense of individuality, but the basic collective reality remains the same. Our brain / DNA is like a computer decoding fields of frequencies - or fields of thought - in which we perceive ourselves as a collective reality. The world we think we see around us only exists in our brain / DNA, our biological computer. The matrix works on the same principle as television broadcasting programs in the form of waves that television will decode into images. The only difference is that our brain / DNA decodes waveforms into holographic images giving the appearance of 3 dimensions.
Karma One : The matrix would have created the Reptilians and the Illuminati to fulfill the role of Smith's agent (NDR: see the movie "The Matrix" and the explanatory article) with respect to human beings. Why did the matrix create these agents in this form? Why in the form of reptilians?
David Icke : They were created to be part of an illusion and to keep us in the illusion-just as Agent Smith himself did in the movie Matrix. Reptilian genetics - which actually turns out to be a computer program - seems to be dominant inside the matrix for reasons that I explain in detail in my new book.
Karma One : If we follow you, because of the genetic mixing and genetic manipulation of humanity, we are also somehow reptilians?
David Icke : Oh yes! ... The oldest part of the human brain is known to scientists as the R complex or the reptilian brain. It is from here that we have inherited cold-blooded character traits, lack of empathy, repetitive and ritualistic behaviors, and all the traits that you find abundantly in the Illuminati. It is these characteristics that cause them to cause so many deaths and destructions without a single thought for their victims.
Karma One : The reptilians know that they are actually "agents" or in a certain way, a kind of artificial creation without soul?
David Icke : The matrix is a multi-dimensional illusion, the ultimate game of mirrors and smoke screens. What we are dealing with on earth with the Illuminati as manipulators behind the scenes and even with world leaders who do not perceive the true story is an expression of how the matrix works as a whole.
Very few people know what the monster really is and who they actually serve. I am convinced that reptilians are biological computer programs that are very similar to the "woman in red dress" that we see in the movie "Matrix" (NDR: see the first movie "Matrix" in which this " pin-up "in red dress is actually a virtual creation in a program). They are not conscious in the sense that we understand this term. They pursue their own program. So, they would be soulless? Yes, in the sense that most people perceive a soul.
Karma One : You seem to say that the notion of divinity or Jesus and other "entities" of the same type are always a creation of the matrix. So, these are somehow also "agents" Smith?
David Icke : These entities do not have to be perceptible "Smith agents" because these concepts are actually beliefs. A belief does not need to "exist" (NDR: in the physical sense of the term) to control the perceptions and behavior of a believer. It is belief in itself that is the source of control.
Karma One : Did you know that Carlos Castaneda presents conceptions of divinity (Jesus, the prophets, Paradise, religions) in a way somewhat similar to yours.
David Icke: No, I did not know.
Karma One : The concept of paradise is always in the womb. So, the paradise of Christians or Muslims is still part of the matrix?
David Icke : Yes! I have a chapter in my new book called "The Program of God" which strongly supports this conception.
Karma One : Would the New Age movement also be a conception of the matrix? Do you believe, as Clive Prince (Stargate Conspiracy) argues, that there is an occult program to create a world religion mixing beliefs of ancient Egypt, mystery religions, and obedience to extraterrestrial entities?
David Icke : Yes, I think there's validity in that view. I think we need to be very cautious about anyone or anything that a) represents an opportunity to give up one's own power b) combine the notion of a united world with the centralization of power. We can form a united whole into a humanity without needing a handful of dictators controlling everything from a central point.
All dictators act through the centralization of decision-making and the destruction of diversity. As for the New Age, the answer is another "yes". Once again, I have a chapter in my new book - Old Age, New Age - which deals with this point. It's the same story.
Karma One : Are all extraterrestrial entities trapped as we are in the same matrix? Is the challenge the same for us as for them: getting out of the matrix?
David Icke : For entities that seemingly take the "physical" form, I say yes. We and they are already outside the matrix at the level of our infinite consciousness. It is our mental and emotional level that has come to be trapped in the illusion of the womb. It's not so much that we need to "get out" of "something", to free ourselves from "somewhere" but rather that we have to realize that it is a game, a computer simulation multidimensional that exists only in our mind and in our lower emotions.
Karma One : Is it possible to transmute the matrix into a better thing? Where do you think the matrix will defend itself only because its mode of operation is a mode of predation?
David Icke : When we change our collective perceptions, the matrix will change because it is the projection of our subconscious. We are our own controllers! We change, it changes.
Karma One : Can we find messages or messengers who have warned us of the existence of this matrix? Have you discovered an entity (a sort of entity comparable to Christ or something similar) that would have tried to warn us of the true nature of the matrix?
David Icke : The truth about what's going on is being broadcast all the time ... just like you have radio and TV channels in the "space" you're in right now. The trick is to connect to the right frequencies to capture this knowledge. Many people, however, do not operate on these higher frequencies, in fact, because of the way society is structured but also because the information is censored. When we open ourselves to higher levels of consciousness, we then develop a "knowledge" about the matrix by accessing information in a domain that transcends the illusions created by that matrix.
Karma One : The matrix seems to be a creation. So, does this creation begin somewhere or is it rather a creation without cause and without end?
David Icke : The concepts of beginning and end are actually illusions of the matrix. Time does not exist, only our perception of time exists. It is more of a circle of experiences around which we spin and spin symbolically while thinking that we continue straight ahead. The past, the present and the future are happening at the same "moment". These are different points in the circle, the cosmic carousel that I call the "Time Loop" and which is a notion extracted from my book "Tales From the Time Loop" (The Tales of the Loops of Time) .
Karma One : Is it possible that other matrix systems based also on fear or on something else also exist?
David Icke : Absolutely. I think there are a lot of Matrices. They probably embody what science calls "parallel universes" even though these universes can also be different levels of the same matrix.
Karma One : Why does not "God", "the One", "the Infinite" or whatever the name is given to this main source of life repair the womb? Or rather, why does not it end what seems to be an endless and useless process?
David Icke : I think we are in a process that will lead to this situation but there is still a huge amount of knowledge and understanding that I have not yet accessed and I ask myself as many questions as anyone .
Karma One : You said that we do not need, as a consciousness of "learning", we do not need to live many lives because the One, the Source to which we are connected does not do not need. Therefore, why are we still attracted, pushed into the matrix?
David Icke : Why is the moth attracted by light? Why is the mouse hypnotized by the eyes of the snake? Humanity is collectively hypnotized by illusion but more and more people are starting to wake up.
Karma One : What is the difference between the concept of Goodness and Goodness in the womb and goodness and goodness outside the womb, namely in the Infinite, in the Universe of the One?
David Icke : The matrix is based on duality and polarity, oppositions or apparent oppositions. Therefore, we perceive goodness and wickedness, light and darkness, the positive and the negative. In the realm of the "One", in the consciousness of himself, everything is One. Therefore, there is no good and no evil. Everything is, simply. There is no darkness and light, only the unity of everything. I call this the state of being (NDTR: the Isness) and it must be experienced to fully understand it.
Karma One : Why does the human being need to go through the womb and live a 3D life experience that is ultimately alienating? To learn something?
David Icke : Human beings do not need to go through this, they get trapped in the spider's web of 5 senses and other related dimensions to end up forgetting who and what they really are . Imagine that you are sitting in a prison cell believing it is the whole of your universe. Why would you leave when you think there is nowhere to go?
Karma One : If the matrix is an illusion and a trap and we belong rather to the Infinite, to the world of the One, there are no more moral considerations that could prevent us from ending our life in order to to leave this world from the moment when one considers in all honesty that life is a waste of time (even if I am not my best judge). So, in this system where one believes that life is a trap, who or what can prevent a person from killing himself?
David Icke : We can not kill each other except as part of an illusion because death does not exist and only there is another state of being, another state of existence. "Physical death" is part of the programming, but because we believe it, we experience death as if it were a real thing. Regarding the elimination of his life, everything depends on the emotional and mental state of the person who will leave this world through what we call death. Robin Williams' film "What Dreams May Come" was able to do this when his wife committed suicide because she was totally devastated by the death of her husband and child.
She went to a realm (another illusory state) that corresponds to her mental and emotional state. It was a deep dark and sinister place that we would call hell but it was actually just the projection of his own mind. In the same way, if we leave this world by any means with the knowledge of who we are and what we are really made of, our experience will reflect that knowledge, that understanding and that love. We are consciousness and we create our own real wherever we are.
Karma One : The basic rule is that suicide is a bad thing, a rule that comes essentially from religious beliefs. In the system you describe, religion is above all a belief and belief is also an illusion. As a result, if life is unbearable for someone, there is no authority or person who can prevent suicide for moral reasons?
David Icke : We are an eternal consciousness and death is an illusion as I said before. However, suicide is by its very nature the result of the behavior of a person in deep depression, fear and anxiety. To suppress oneself in this state will simply project you into another realm that will reflect this emotional trauma. A "living" hell in this world will become a "living hell" in the other world. That's why suicide is absolutely not something to recommend.
Karma One : You seem to assert that the matrix has become with time a kind of independent entity, a kind of Frankenstein, a world in which the creator (us) has been overtaken by his creature (the matrix). You also say that if we change, the matrix will also change. Let's speculate: Even if we change our subconscious, do not you think that the matrix will defend itself and prevent this?
David Icke : I would say that the matrix is a projection of our own minds. In fact, all of us live in our own matrix because we each have our own way of interpreting reality. The matrix may have become autonomous but in the end, it rests on us, its source, for its own survival. Let's just say it: if enough computers reprogram the Internet, the nature of the Internet must change or even stop working. It's the same thing with the matrix.
F I N .
David Icke. Humanity is collectively hypnotized by an illusion.
April 28, 2015.
A Karmapolis interview with David Icke, the author of the bestsellers "The Greatest Secret" and "The Children of the Matrix". Shortly before the release of his new book "Infinite Love is the Only True", the author of conspiracy books among the most contested by the media but also the most popular answers our questions about his vision of the world and what is really this matrix.
David Icke speaks to us about his vision of our universe of matter and provides us with some clarifications and well-felt remarks to clearly explain how this ubiquitous matrix works. Certainly, the name "matrix" comes from the film of the Wachowski brothers and Icke refers to it many times in his book "Tales from the Time Loop", "Tales of Loops of Time".
The reference to the film is therefore far from free but it is not about taking the content of this feature-length science fiction film literally. Maybe even Icke's model is actually much worse because more devious. As we have said, David Icke's system of description of the universe and reality is very coherent because it is based on certain models of universe representation speculated by high-flying scientists.
According to him, our collective subconscious has created a kind of super monster, a virtual "Frankenstein" that has become an autonomous and conscious thing whose goal is to control us. From controllers, we became controlled. This matrix - our reality - is nothing more than an illusion, a holographic projection in 3 dimensions in which our consciousness is struggling, trapped by the illusion of time, space and energy. apparent strength of the material. This matrix has also created its "Smith agents", entities that parasitize or incarnate in the body of those who lead our world behind the scenes.
These "Smith agents" are not souls in the classical sense of the word but kinds of conscious computer programs that crystallize in our universe in 3D in the form of entities that parasitize human beings. These agents are what David Icke calls "reptilians".
An ultra conspiracy vision and rather "west"? At first sight, this strange vision of our reality may seem laughable and many, especially in England, who have paid a good time on the back of David Icke by treating it as delusional. In any case, no one forces you to believe that the Windsor family that reigns over the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth is turning into a reptilian entity in bloody and pagan rituals. You can skip it if it bothers too much and interest you in other aspects of his work.
It is necessary on the one hand to have read the entirety of the work of the interested person but also very numerous other authors to understand from where Icke draws the potential validity of the existence of these reptilian beings. These books show how much the symbolism of dragons, snakes, and reptilian creatures is recurrent and important in many religions and founding myths.
The abduction narratives are also revealing (albeit a very small one as far as "reptilian" entities are concerned), as are some testimonies that focus on the phenomenon of shape shifting, the change of form. But what is "shape shifting"?
It would be the sudden change in the appearance of a human being whose appearance seems to "trouble" to give way to another equally tangible creature, namely a being of the reptilian type. "Shape shifting" (which also makes sense in a world of holographic nature) seems at first glance a very fanciful phenomenon that is hard to take seriously. However, it is interesting to go beyond the first reflex of rejection to read to the end the testimonials and books that speak as the many websites dedicated almost exclusively to reptilians and other draconians.
It is therefore appropriate, as we have just mentioned, not to stop simply at the simple fact that a number of authors who are specialists in the subject assert that the British royal family, like a certain section of the nobility, European (black nobility) as well as some world leaders (like Bush) are reptilians who are "shape shiften", who metamorphose themselves during certain rituals. Try to go beyond your very understandable reluctance to analyze the subject as far as you can, sort it out and there will be something left.
David Icke has thus succeeded in ordering all his eclectic and numerous observations in a coherent system whose intuition and order have been inspired, he tells us, through intense experiences at Ayahuasca, this thingytail powerful hallucinogen manufactured by the Indians of the Amazon basin. Icke tells us in his book what he was able to perceive in the form of a dynamic system or rather what a kind of imperious voice or inner consciousness dictated to him.
We invite you to read this interview, but we advise you to read the explanatory article in two parts on the holographic nature of the universe to better understand the scope of David Icke's answers. We also advise you to read in English his penultimate work "Tales from the Time Loop" and his latest album - "Infinite Love is the only Truth", "infinite love is the only answer" that will be released on April 22 editions "Bridge of Love" and which is still in press at the time we write these lines. The title of the book certainly sounds like a kind of New Age mantra but Icke's ideas stand out quite singularly.
He even believes that this seemingly messy and citizenlike movement is actually a manipulation. Finally, be aware that the latest news taken in Canada from our friend Nenki, one of Icke's French-language distributors in Canada, the second volume of "Children of the Matrix" is also in press and will also be released from here to the end of April at Editions Louise Courteau. If you are not a fan of the character, you could still be tempted by the third part of the book "Tales from the Time Loop" which is an interesting exploration of scientific speculations.
Interview With David Icke
Karma One : Regardless of the fact that the matrix is its own source, that it is creative of itself, what is the deep source of this matrix? Who or what created it and for what purpose, other than trapping us? Someone must have had the idea to create it, what is its creator?
David Icke : I could say that this is actually our own collective subconscious that has taken shape and life in its own way. An ancient Hindu myth claims that human consciousness started in a shudder, a ripple that decided to leave the ocean of consciousness, the eternal "without time and space". When this consciousness awakened to itself in this state of disconnection, the myth then asserts that it forgot that it was part of the infinite ocean and felt isolated and separate. That sounds pretty much like what I say in my own way. In this disconnected state-like little lost children-we collectively created the womb and we came to be controlled and deceived by our own creation. I explain all of this in detail in my new book - "Infinite Love Is the Only Truth", "infinite love is the only truth" -. Everything else is an illusion.
Karma One : You affirm that the matrix is conscious of itself, an autonomous and conscious entity that is the source of our consensual reality. What is the true nature of this entity?
David Icke : It's a consciousness that has also lost its way. You can think of it as the consciousness of a kind of Frankenstein who took power over his creators. We remain his prisoners as long as we remain ignorant of our condition and as long as we believe that this world is real. He is not. This is the projection of an illusion in the form of a hologram that looks very much like what is portrayed in the movie "The Matrix".
Karma One : Do we really belong to the matrix or something else? What are our real origins?
David Icke : Everything is infinite consciousness. At this level of awakening, enlightenment, there is no "we" but only an infinite "I". But in this reality, we have been caught in the illusion of separation. We think in terms of "parts" and not in terms of "everything". This duality and this polarity is the ultimate version of "divide to conquer". The matrix (ie, this illusory world) is what I call the Holographic Internet. Our brains coupled with our DNA are like a computer terminal connected to the big world network, the World Wide Web. When you connect to a computer in China, America or France, you are actually connected to the same Internet network, ie to the same collective reality.
What you do with it gives you your sense of individuality, but the basic collective reality remains the same. Our brain / DNA is like a computer decoding fields of frequencies - or fields of thought - in which we perceive ourselves as a collective reality. The world we think we see around us only exists in our brain / DNA, our biological computer. The matrix works on the same principle as television broadcasting programs in the form of waves that television will decode into images. The only difference is that our brain / DNA decodes waveforms into holographic images giving the appearance of 3 dimensions.
Karma One : The matrix would have created the Reptilians and the Illuminati to fulfill the role of Smith's agent (NDR: see the movie "The Matrix" and the explanatory article) with respect to human beings. Why did the matrix create these agents in this form? Why in the form of reptilians?
David Icke : They were created to be part of an illusion and to keep us in the illusion-just as Agent Smith himself did in the movie Matrix. Reptilian genetics - which actually turns out to be a computer program - seems to be dominant inside the matrix for reasons that I explain in detail in my new book.
Karma One : If we follow you, because of the genetic mixing and genetic manipulation of humanity, we are also somehow reptilians?
David Icke : Oh yes! ... The oldest part of the human brain is known to scientists as the R complex or the reptilian brain. It is from here that we have inherited cold-blooded character traits, lack of empathy, repetitive and ritualistic behaviors, and all the traits that you find abundantly in the Illuminati. It is these characteristics that cause them to cause so many deaths and destructions without a single thought for their victims.
Karma One : The reptilians know that they are actually "agents" or in a certain way, a kind of artificial creation without soul?
David Icke : The matrix is a multi-dimensional illusion, the ultimate game of mirrors and smoke screens. What we are dealing with on earth with the Illuminati as manipulators behind the scenes and even with world leaders who do not perceive the true story is an expression of how the matrix works as a whole.
Very few people know what the monster really is and who they actually serve. I am convinced that reptilians are biological computer programs that are very similar to the "woman in red dress" that we see in the movie "Matrix" (NDR: see the first movie "Matrix" in which this " pin-up "in red dress is actually a virtual creation in a program). They are not conscious in the sense that we understand this term. They pursue their own program. So, they would be soulless? Yes, in the sense that most people perceive a soul.
Karma One : You seem to say that the notion of divinity or Jesus and other "entities" of the same type are always a creation of the matrix. So, these are somehow also "agents" Smith?
David Icke : These entities do not have to be perceptible "Smith agents" because these concepts are actually beliefs. A belief does not need to "exist" (NDR: in the physical sense of the term) to control the perceptions and behavior of a believer. It is belief in itself that is the source of control.
Karma One : Did you know that Carlos Castaneda presents conceptions of divinity (Jesus, the prophets, Paradise, religions) in a way somewhat similar to yours.
David Icke: No, I did not know.
Karma One : The concept of paradise is always in the womb. So, the paradise of Christians or Muslims is still part of the matrix?
David Icke : Yes! I have a chapter in my new book called "The Program of God" which strongly supports this conception.
Karma One : Would the New Age movement also be a conception of the matrix? Do you believe, as Clive Prince (Stargate Conspiracy) argues, that there is an occult program to create a world religion mixing beliefs of ancient Egypt, mystery religions, and obedience to extraterrestrial entities?
David Icke : Yes, I think there's validity in that view. I think we need to be very cautious about anyone or anything that a) represents an opportunity to give up one's own power b) combine the notion of a united world with the centralization of power. We can form a united whole into a humanity without needing a handful of dictators controlling everything from a central point.
All dictators act through the centralization of decision-making and the destruction of diversity. As for the New Age, the answer is another "yes". Once again, I have a chapter in my new book - Old Age, New Age - which deals with this point. It's the same story.
Karma One : Are all extraterrestrial entities trapped as we are in the same matrix? Is the challenge the same for us as for them: getting out of the matrix?
David Icke : For entities that seemingly take the "physical" form, I say yes. We and they are already outside the matrix at the level of our infinite consciousness. It is our mental and emotional level that has come to be trapped in the illusion of the womb. It's not so much that we need to "get out" of "something", to free ourselves from "somewhere" but rather that we have to realize that it is a game, a computer simulation multidimensional that exists only in our mind and in our lower emotions.
Karma One : Is it possible to transmute the matrix into a better thing? Where do you think the matrix will defend itself only because its mode of operation is a mode of predation?
David Icke : When we change our collective perceptions, the matrix will change because it is the projection of our subconscious. We are our own controllers! We change, it changes.
Karma One : Can we find messages or messengers who have warned us of the existence of this matrix? Have you discovered an entity (a sort of entity comparable to Christ or something similar) that would have tried to warn us of the true nature of the matrix?
David Icke : The truth about what's going on is being broadcast all the time ... just like you have radio and TV channels in the "space" you're in right now. The trick is to connect to the right frequencies to capture this knowledge. Many people, however, do not operate on these higher frequencies, in fact, because of the way society is structured but also because the information is censored. When we open ourselves to higher levels of consciousness, we then develop a "knowledge" about the matrix by accessing information in a domain that transcends the illusions created by that matrix.
Karma One : The matrix seems to be a creation. So, does this creation begin somewhere or is it rather a creation without cause and without end?
David Icke : The concepts of beginning and end are actually illusions of the matrix. Time does not exist, only our perception of time exists. It is more of a circle of experiences around which we spin and spin symbolically while thinking that we continue straight ahead. The past, the present and the future are happening at the same "moment". These are different points in the circle, the cosmic carousel that I call the "Time Loop" and which is a notion extracted from my book "Tales From the Time Loop" (The Tales of the Loops of Time) .
Karma One : Is it possible that other matrix systems based also on fear or on something else also exist?
David Icke : Absolutely. I think there are a lot of Matrices. They probably embody what science calls "parallel universes" even though these universes can also be different levels of the same matrix.
Karma One : Why does not "God", "the One", "the Infinite" or whatever the name is given to this main source of life repair the womb? Or rather, why does not it end what seems to be an endless and useless process?
David Icke : I think we are in a process that will lead to this situation but there is still a huge amount of knowledge and understanding that I have not yet accessed and I ask myself as many questions as anyone .
Karma One : You said that we do not need, as a consciousness of "learning", we do not need to live many lives because the One, the Source to which we are connected does not do not need. Therefore, why are we still attracted, pushed into the matrix?
David Icke : Why is the moth attracted by light? Why is the mouse hypnotized by the eyes of the snake? Humanity is collectively hypnotized by illusion but more and more people are starting to wake up.
Karma One : What is the difference between the concept of Goodness and Goodness in the womb and goodness and goodness outside the womb, namely in the Infinite, in the Universe of the One?
David Icke : The matrix is based on duality and polarity, oppositions or apparent oppositions. Therefore, we perceive goodness and wickedness, light and darkness, the positive and the negative. In the realm of the "One", in the consciousness of himself, everything is One. Therefore, there is no good and no evil. Everything is, simply. There is no darkness and light, only the unity of everything. I call this the state of being (NDTR: the Isness) and it must be experienced to fully understand it.
Karma One : Why does the human being need to go through the womb and live a 3D life experience that is ultimately alienating? To learn something?
David Icke : Human beings do not need to go through this, they get trapped in the spider's web of 5 senses and other related dimensions to end up forgetting who and what they really are . Imagine that you are sitting in a prison cell believing it is the whole of your universe. Why would you leave when you think there is nowhere to go?
Karma One : If the matrix is an illusion and a trap and we belong rather to the Infinite, to the world of the One, there are no more moral considerations that could prevent us from ending our life in order to to leave this world from the moment when one considers in all honesty that life is a waste of time (even if I am not my best judge). So, in this system where one believes that life is a trap, who or what can prevent a person from killing himself?
David Icke : We can not kill each other except as part of an illusion because death does not exist and only there is another state of being, another state of existence. "Physical death" is part of the programming, but because we believe it, we experience death as if it were a real thing. Regarding the elimination of his life, everything depends on the emotional and mental state of the person who will leave this world through what we call death. Robin Williams' film "What Dreams May Come" was able to do this when his wife committed suicide because she was totally devastated by the death of her husband and child.
She went to a realm (another illusory state) that corresponds to her mental and emotional state. It was a deep dark and sinister place that we would call hell but it was actually just the projection of his own mind. In the same way, if we leave this world by any means with the knowledge of who we are and what we are really made of, our experience will reflect that knowledge, that understanding and that love. We are consciousness and we create our own real wherever we are.
Karma One : The basic rule is that suicide is a bad thing, a rule that comes essentially from religious beliefs. In the system you describe, religion is above all a belief and belief is also an illusion. As a result, if life is unbearable for someone, there is no authority or person who can prevent suicide for moral reasons?
David Icke : We are an eternal consciousness and death is an illusion as I said before. However, suicide is by its very nature the result of the behavior of a person in deep depression, fear and anxiety. To suppress oneself in this state will simply project you into another realm that will reflect this emotional trauma. A "living" hell in this world will become a "living hell" in the other world. That's why suicide is absolutely not something to recommend.
Karma One : You seem to assert that the matrix has become with time a kind of independent entity, a kind of Frankenstein, a world in which the creator (us) has been overtaken by his creature (the matrix). You also say that if we change, the matrix will also change. Let's speculate: Even if we change our subconscious, do not you think that the matrix will defend itself and prevent this?
David Icke : I would say that the matrix is a projection of our own minds. In fact, all of us live in our own matrix because we each have our own way of interpreting reality. The matrix may have become autonomous but in the end, it rests on us, its source, for its own survival. Let's just say it: if enough computers reprogram the Internet, the nature of the Internet must change or even stop working. It's the same thing with the matrix.
F I N .
